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Published online by Cambridge University Press: 12 April 2016
Observations of CO in long period variables have been widely used to determine mass loss rates by applying models for CO line formation (e.g. Knapp and Morris, 1985) which use a simple method to take the impact from infrared radiation into account. Recent 00(2-1) and (1-0) observations of some more evolved OH/IR stars yielded much too low mass loss rates using these simple models, thus indicating that they cannot be extrapolated to far evolved AGB stars with optically thick circumstellar envelopes.