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Venerable John Talbot: Some Genealogical Notes
Published online by Cambridge University Press: 11 October 2016
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The will of this martyr's father (John Talbot of Thorntonle Street, N.R. Yorks), to which reference has been made in a former article in this journal (Vol. II, p. 16), is printed in Surtees Soc., Vol. II; Wills and Inventories, pp. 369-371 (No. CCLXXX).
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1. Discovered by Dom Hugh Aveling, O.S.B. To him, and to Dr. A.M.C. Forster, I am greatly indebted for assistance throughout this article.
2. To Roger is assigned the manor of Thornton-le-Street. Upon the death of Alice, Roger (with his brother, Thomas) receives also the reversion of all his father's lands and tenements in “Dalton Norrice otherwise called Dalton in the gales” (? 5 m. N.W. of Richmond).
3. Cf. Victoria County History (North Riding), Vol. I, pp. 455 ff. (Thornton-le-Street) and Vol. 2, pp. 50-51 (South Otterington).
4. The family does not occur in the records of the preceding herald's visitation of Yorkshire, carried out by Robert Glover in 1584-5.
5. Visitations of Yorkshire: Robert Glover 1584-5, and Richard St. George 1612 (privately printed for J. Foster, 1875).
6. Pedigrees of the County Families of Yorkshire: West Riding, Vol. I.
7. Dugdale’s Visitation of Yorkshire, with Additions. Vol. III, p. 8. (cf. The Genealogist: New Series Vol. 23, p. 227 seq.).
8. The original note runs: “Richard Talbott, for John Talbott of Thornton-le-Street and John Talbott of South Otterington”. These were his nephews, the sons of Roger and Thomas respectively.
9. Possibly to be identified with the eldest son of Thomas. There is no reference to an Anthony Talbot among the contemporary records of the Inner Temple, so the Librarian assures me.
10. The circumstances of his death would have provided an adequate reason for this.
11. “… The Talbot so much fear'd abroad That with his name the mothers still their babes”. Henry VI, Act 2, Scene 3.
12. This generation is omitted by Dugdale.
13. Ch. Inquisition-post-mortem (cf. Biographical Studies, Vol. II, p. 16).
14. Clay's text here adds the words: “signed the Visitation” (presumably that of 1612). The original note, however, as given by Foster (see footnote (8) above), seems to imply that Richard Talbot was the only actual signatory.
15. Unidentified. Bartholomew gives five parishes and one hamlet called Skelton in Yorkshire. The most promising means of ascertainment, apart from local records would seem to be the parochial returns of recusants in the diocesan visitation books, 1570-90, (Yorks Diocesan Registry). Skelton 4 m. N.W. of Boroughbridge (W.R.) should be examined first, as being nearest to Thornton-le-Street.
16. The parentage of Ann still eludes us. One may note here that a conviction for recusancy, covering a period of 7 months from 3 July 1587, against “John Talbotte, lately of Ottrington, gent.” and “Elizabeth” his wife, has recently come to light (Exannual Roll of Recusants. P.R.O.: E. 363/9, rot. 11v.). There is clearly a clerical error here regarding the Christian name of either the husband or the wife. Elizabeth was the name of the second wife of Thomas, the martyr's brother. Both families were connected with South Otterington.
17. Wood End, the home of Richard Talbot, was not in the parish of South Otterington (as stated in Biographical Studies, II, p. 146, note (9): an error for which the present writer is responsible), but in that of Thornton-le-Street. This is clearly implied in the returns of recusants in 1611, 1614 and 1616, printed by The North Riding Record Society (Quarter Session, Vols. II and III). He is also listed under Thornton-le-Street in 1604, as a poore gentleman” (E. Peacock: The Yorkshire Papists). His property in S. Otterington, seized in 1597 by reason of his recusancy, remained in the hands of the Crown until after his death in 1635 –a fact which proves his unswerving adherence to the Faith. On 22 August, 1632, he was allowed to compound for it at a rate of £10 per annum (Recusant Roll: E. 377/49 (1641)).
18. The 1614 return gives the approximate ages of this family, describing Richard and his wife as “aged 50”, “recusants for 20 years”; the sons, John “aged 23” and George “aged 22”, as “recusants for 4 years”; the daughters, Ann and Elizabeth, as “spinsters, recusants for 12 months”. Winifred, the youngest child, is added in the 1616 return. The age at which a person became liable to a conviction for this offence was 16 years.
19. Cf. pedigree of Byerley of Midridge Grange (Foster: Durham Visitation Pedigrees (1887), and Surtees: Durham, Vol. III, p. 313)Google Scholar. Cf. also Biographical Studies, ii, p, 14.
20. Dugdale's “31 Eliz.” is probably a blunder for “41 Eliz.”. Roger was alive in. 1594, and appears to have died sometime before his brother's execution in Sept. 1600 (cf. Biographical Studies, ii, p. 7, and p. 22, note.(37).
21. Cf. Biographical Studies, ii, p, 13 seq.
22. Cf. Yorks. Archaeological Soc., Vol. XVIII; Royalist Composition Papers, No. 133.