Book contents
- Frontmatter
- Contents
- Acknowledgements
- Preface
- Glossary
- 1 The puzzle of Plato's thumos
- 2 Thumos, andreia and the ethics of flourishing
- 3 Arms and the man: andreia in the Laches
- 4 Odd virtue out: courage and goodness in the Protagoras
- 5 Why should I be good? Callicles, Thrasymachus and the egoist challenge
- 6 Heroes and role models: the Apology, Hippias Major and Hippias Minor
- 7 The threat of Achilles
- 8 Plato's response: the valuable as one
- 9 Alcibiades' revenge: thumos in the Symposium
- Epilogue: The weaver's art: andreia in the Politicus and Laws
- Bibliography
- Index
9 - Alcibiades' revenge: thumos in the Symposium
Published online by Cambridge University Press: 01 October 2009
- Frontmatter
- Contents
- Acknowledgements
- Preface
- Glossary
- 1 The puzzle of Plato's thumos
- 2 Thumos, andreia and the ethics of flourishing
- 3 Arms and the man: andreia in the Laches
- 4 Odd virtue out: courage and goodness in the Protagoras
- 5 Why should I be good? Callicles, Thrasymachus and the egoist challenge
- 6 Heroes and role models: the Apology, Hippias Major and Hippias Minor
- 7 The threat of Achilles
- 8 Plato's response: the valuable as one
- 9 Alcibiades' revenge: thumos in the Symposium
- Epilogue: The weaver's art: andreia in the Politicus and Laws
- Bibliography
- Index
Summary
SELF-PERPETUATING HEROES
In the Republic, Socrates is in no doubt that our non-rational elements can normally only be harnessed when early education is in the hands of Philosopher-Rulers. The trouble, of course, is that this education system must somehow already be in place for Philosopher-Rulers to be created. How is the ideally just state to get off the ground? The problem is exacerbated by the fact that, as we have seen, a role model culture such as Plato's Athens has an in-built tendency to reproduce itself – an innate conservatism that Plato highlights by stressing the thumos' desires for social esteem and success. Once the ideal state is up and running, and state-approved heroes well established, such conservative tendencies can be put to good use: properly purified literature and music, which promote the right ideals, must never be altered in any way (424b–c). In imperfect societies, on the other hand, the same tendencies will plainly work against Plato's blueprint.
The obstacles such innate conservatism raises are forcefully depicted in the Symposium. Before looking at them, however, we need first to consider the radical project for educating desire that the dialogue proposes, and the role in this erotic training of the conservatively-inclined thumos.
THE SYMPOSIUM: THUMOS AS INTERMEDIARY
The immediate task is clearly to establish that the thumos plays any role whatsoever in the Symposium: there is after all no explicit reference to it, or indeed to a divided psuchē of any kind.
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- Plato and the HeroCourage, Manliness and the Impersonal Good, pp. 250 - 261Publisher: Cambridge University PressPrint publication year: 2000